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tracks/ tires and associated rear suspension => all track related hardware and maintenance => Topic started by: steve1973 on May 21, 2013, 07:20:16 PM

Title: Rear Idler and Bogie Wheel Bearings
Post by: steve1973 on May 21, 2013, 07:20:16 PM: Not sure what area to post this but think it fits here. I'm compiling a list of bearings to cross over for replacements. For the idler hub this is what I have:
In my hubs I have the following bearings and numbers

New Departure 3213

BCA 1213

Fafinir 213W

Parts book originally lists

MRC 213 S type A

OD 4.7244
ID 2.5591
width 0.9055

My Bearing house crosses over to:

Axis 6213

Timkin ??

For the top roller and bogie hub bearings the parts book lists

MRC 405 S type A

OD 3.1496
ID 0.9843
width 0.8268

I have not taken any of these assemblies apart yet so I have no other bearing numbers for the bogie hubs. I have a list for the front and rear axles I will post soon.

Steve A.
Title: Re: Rear Idler and Bogie Wheel Bearings
Post by: andy on July 02, 2013, 09:09:39 AM: have you gotten any farther? Im in the boat for a few bogie bearings
Title: Re: Rear Idler and Bogie Wheel Bearings
Post by: yd328 on July 02, 2013, 02:23:37 PM: Try
SKF 6405

Gary
Title: Re: Rear Idler and Bogie Wheel Bearings
Post by: andy on July 03, 2013, 08:09:45 AM: Thanks Gary, i'll look into that. Have you used these?

Andy

Quote from: yd328 on July 02, 2013, 02:23:37 PM
Try
SKF 6405

Gary
Title: Re: Rear Idler and Bogie Wheel Bearings
Post by: yd328 on July 03, 2013, 08:58:14 AM: I used 3 of them, I brought the New Departure bearing to a bearing supply company and thats what they came up with. The dimensions of the bearing are also in the ORD9.

Gary
Title: Re: Rear Idler and Bogie Wheel Bearings
Post by: andy on July 14, 2013, 07:10:43 AM: After looking into it, your right Gary,
Here is a list of interchangeable bearings right from skf for bogie/upper roller

DEEP GROOVE BALL BEARINGS
Consolidated Dimensions Approx. Interchange

SKF d D B FAF STEYR/ FED MRC ND
FAG
6405 25 80 21 405K 6405 1405 405-S 3405

NOTE on above bearings FED/SKF have 7 balls per bearing, MRC/ND 6 balls per bearing. Not sure if that really make a difference

Idler bearings FAF STEYR/ FED MRC ND
FAG/SKF
d D B 213K 6213 1213 213S 3213
65 120 23
Title: Re: Rear Idler and Bogie Wheel Bearings
Post by: Darth_Kitten on December 25, 2015, 08:14:27 PM: I just installed my idlers with the New Departure 3213 bearings and the oil seals that were suggested. I drilled a few 1/16 holes in the seals to allow grease to escape.
Mark
Title: Re: Rear Idler and Bogie Wheel Bearings
Post by: Outsider on December 25, 2015, 08:50:38 PM: Instead of drilling holes in them, put them in backwards. It will allow grease out and still help keep out water.

Steve
Title: Re: Rear Idler and Bogie Wheel Bearings
Post by: Darth_Kitten on December 25, 2015, 08:54:57 PM: I thought about that Steve, and that would most definitely work. I did opt to put them in and drill due to the construction of the seal though. The ones I had were "open" on the inside, and would have trapped water/debris, and not protected the seal. I should have taken photos before I installed them to help explain...
Mark
Title: Re: Rear Idler and Bogie Wheel Bearings
Post by: Smadge on June 01, 2018, 04:13:07 AM: Quote from: Darth_Kitten on December 25, 2015, 08:14:27 PM
I just installed my idlers with the New Departure 3213 bearings and the oil seals that were suggested. I drilled a few 1/16 holes in the seals to allow grease to escape.
Mark

Mark,

What oil seals were suggested in this post? I must have missed it. My idler bearings are good but I need new seals.

Thanks,
Paul
Title: Re: Rear Idler and Bogie Wheel Bearings
Post by: steve-0 on June 01, 2018, 02:24:48 PM: http://halftrackinfo.com/index.php?topic=145.0
Title: Re: Rear Idler and Bogie Wheel Bearings
Post by: Monkeypirate on June 01, 2018, 10:10:26 PM: On the topic of the grease seals. I'm going to drill a second hole in the hubs and install these vents. Not to sure how well they will work but it seams to work on the Mack suspensions I have worked on.

https://www.zoro.com/ldi-industries-relieffiller-vent-plug-14-18-059-h-prv102-2/i/G1945422/#specifications
Title: Re: Rear Idler and Bogie Wheel Bearings
Post by: Outsider on June 02, 2018, 04:23:43 AM: Quote from: Monkeypirate on June 01, 2018, 10:10:26 PM
On the topic of the grease seals. I'm going to drill a second hole in the hubs and install these vents. Not to sure how well they will work but it seams to work on the Mack suspensions I have worked on.

https://www.zoro.com/ldi-industries-relieffiller-vent-plug-14-18-059-h-prv102-2/i/G1945422/#specifications

Those would accomplish about the same thing as putting the seals in backwards.

Steve
Title: Re: Rear Idler and Bogie Wheel Bearings
Post by: Smadge on October 05, 2018, 08:14:30 AM: Quote from: Monkeypirate on June 01, 2018, 10:10:26 PM
On the topic of the grease seals. I'm going to drill a second hole in the hubs and install these vents. Not to sure how well they will work but it seams to work on the Mack suspensions I have worked on.

https://www.zoro.com/ldi-industries-relieffiller-vent-plug-14-18-059-h-prv102-2/i/G1945422/#specifications

Monkeypirate,

Did this work out for you? I'm at the same stage right now and plan on installing the modern, thinner, seals.

Thanks,

Paul
Title: Re: Rear Idler and Bogie Wheel Bearings
Post by: Cleprechaun on December 25, 2018, 02:26:35 PM: Regarding the idlers. Mine turned very smoothly before mounting on the frame and do not leak grease. I have cranked the hell out of the turnbuckle and taken other steps to get the idler wheel to line up. Nothing has worked. It is still leaning forward, causing wear on the ring. Bad bearings ? Will new ones fix this ? Any advice is SUPER appreciated
Title: Re: Rear Idler and Bogie Wheel Bearings
Post by: beerman on December 25, 2018, 04:01:29 PM: I would look more closely at the shaft area, to see how much slack is there, but the bearings could also be worn.