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armor plate => fenders, door hardware and other body parts (non armor) => Topic started by: bright87 on November 05, 2013, 10:42:57 PM

Title: Footman loops
Post by: bright87 on November 05, 2013, 10:42:57 PM: Hey Guys- How are the footman loops attached to the rear armor and doors?
I have seen both screws and rivets.
Thanks-Michael
Title: Re: Footman loops
Post by: spec4don on November 06, 2013, 12:24:15 AM: I have an M16 upper window, no holes had to weld them on. On my M2 the loops were riveted to the fender. But I will bolt them to the armor. If you do bolt them make sure you use a slotted head screw and regular nuts,not lock nuts and lock washers not nylocks.

Don G
Title: Re: Footman loops
Post by: bright87 on November 06, 2013, 02:51:44 PM: anyone have the locations of the loops on the upper door for a M2?
Title: Re: Footman loops
Post by: autocar925 on November 08, 2013, 11:08:05 AM: Anyone have a source for the footman loops themselves?
Title: Re: Footman loops
Post by: spec4don on November 08, 2013, 01:52:09 PM: I've found them on ebay from time to time10 or 12 at a shot.

Don G.
Title: Re: Footman loops
Post by: Outsider on November 08, 2013, 03:54:22 PM: The 2 1/4" footman loops are available from armysurpluswarehouse.com for about $10 per dozen.

Steve

No affiliation with seller, just the best deal I have found.
Title: Re: Footman loops
Post by: autocar925 on November 08, 2013, 04:39:41 PM: Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Footman loops
Post by: dwhite on November 11, 2013, 05:08:26 PM: Anybody know the total number of footman loops needed on a M3A1? Are they all 2-1/4?

Thanks,
DW
Title: Re: Footman loops
Post by: emptyhead on November 16, 2013, 06:06:11 PM: Thanks steve I ordered a dozen to check out and they look good. Couldn't bring myself to pay eBay prices.
Title: Re: Footman loops
Post by: Outsider on November 16, 2013, 07:08:54 PM: dwhite, If my count is correct (did it in my head) there are 26 on a M3. Fenders are different, and I don't remember off hand if the pioneer tools are the same or not.

Steve
Title: Re: Footman loops
Post by: Hadstock on November 17, 2013, 02:05:43 AM: Pioneer tools are bigger (these are the only ones I'm still missing) but the ones Steve recommends fitted on all the side & rear armor on my M2.
Title: Re: Footman loops
Post by: dwhite on November 18, 2013, 04:20:26 PM: Looks like the pioneer and fender footman loops are both 3" on-center. I counted the holes on my track and I came up with a count of 11 needed for the longer footman loops. DW
Title: Re: Footman loops
Post by: autocar925 on November 18, 2013, 10:11:09 PM: I ordered a dozen from army surplus warehouse. They look good. Haven't checked yet to see if the center spacing is correct
Title: Re: Footman loops
Post by: bright87 on April 22, 2014, 09:43:28 AM: What size are the ones for the tripod holder on the rear wall of a M2? Are they the same size as the ones on the fenders?
Thanks-Michael
Title: Re: Footman loops
Post by: autocar925 on April 22, 2014, 05:55:58 PM: army surplus warehouse center spacing is correct
Title: Re: Footman loops
Post by: bright87 on April 23, 2014, 10:22:31 AM: I have some of those from army surplus warehouse (thanks outsider)-but the ones i need are longer, somewhere around 2 13/16" between centers.
Title: Re: Footman loops
Post by: BombFarm on April 29, 2014, 02:56:47 PM: Bright87 is looking for the footman loops that are attached to the mounting straps for holding the M3, .50cal tripod on the back of M2 HT's. As seen in photo
Title: Re: Footman loops
Post by: Torque on April 30, 2014, 07:31:00 AM: Unless I find something better I am going to cut down fender loops (3 1/8") to 2 7/8" to fit, or you could put 2 of the 2 1/4" loops together to make the 2 7/8" or just weld in a piece.... Who has the the tripod brackets in the picture BombFarm posted to go on these loops?
Title: Re: Footman loops
Post by: BombFarm on April 30, 2014, 10:49:36 AM: I snapped that picture from Tim Sutter's immaculate Halftrack.
Title: Re: Footman loops
Post by: steve-0 on May 21, 2014, 04:26:28 AM: the fender footman loops are 3 1/8" center to center
the ends are round with a diameter of 5/8"
3 3/4" overall
1/4" opening
.28 thick
1 1/2" width for the strap
no counter sink
#10 screw

http://www.ebay.com/itm/231294338272

shovel footman loops are 2 7/8" center to center
either a cast brass loop was used or a steel one with square ends
3 1/2" overall
1/4" opening
.255 thick
steel loop has a 1 3/8" width for the strap and the brass has a 1 1/4" width
no counter sink
#10 screw

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-7-8-034-center-to-center-footman-loop-halftrack-scoutcar-jeep-/231428029214

the most common footman loop used is the 2 1/4" center to center
used on the pistol ports, doors, ect
2 3/4" overall
1/4" opening
.25 thick
1 1/4"width for strap
counter sink
#10 screw

http://www.armysurpluswarehouse.com/footman-loop-1-dozen-od.html
http://www.laxengineeredsolutions.com/Polar-46-p/46.htm

http://www.eberhard.com/products/footman-loops/bacl20a-series/20960

http://www.clipsandfasteners.com/Footman_Loop_1_1_4_Strap_Black_E_Coat_p/a19403.htm
http://www.clipsandfasteners.com/v/vspfiles/assets/images/auveco_catalog352.pdf
Title: Re: Footman loops
Post by: BombFarm on May 22, 2014, 03:42:21 PM: Back in the good old days when parts were rather affordable and footman loops seemed plentiful, I remember having a choice..... New style or Old style; Right?
In reference to ONLY the common 2.25" footman found in most places on a Halftrack, I have always assumed that the more forged looking ones (similar to fender loops and the welded one in Steve's second picture) were the "old" style, and ones that look like stamped round stock (3rd picture) are the "new" style.

-Does anybody know if my assumption about new vs old having a different appearance is correct?
-Is there a know date range that the "new" ones started appearing?
-Is this a detail concern that applies to HT's, or is this a Jeep thing?