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general discussion => what's on your mind? => Topic started by: brit plumber on July 08, 2020, 02:39:24 PM

Title: Introductions
Post by: brit plumber on July 08, 2020, 02:39:24 PM
Hi, I was looking for somewhere to introduce myself but I can’t find an appropriate place so I thought I’d try here.

My name is Chris and I live in the middle of the UK, I’ve always loved all things Military and joined the Royal Air Force 25 years ago. Since then I’ve owned WW2 British Motorcycles but sold most of them to buy my dream of a jeep. My second dream has always been to own an M16 halftrack and I’m thinking the time maybe now. I enjoy the restoration and fabrication side of ownership rather than the driving so I’m looking at projects rather than restored examples. I’ve got an eye on a project for sale by a chap called Rudi Pomme in the Netherlands (missing the rear floor and M45) but I’m obviously a novice to the Halftrack so would appreciate some thoughts if I can post some photos. My main worry would be that someone says, “that’s missing and you’ll never find one”.



Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: 8683jb on July 08, 2020, 03:01:36 PM
Welcome Chris! Very nice looking project. The armor you have with it is a nice bonus. There are many very knowledgeable people on this site who'll be happy to help you with the information, parts sources, advice, etc. that you may need. Post lots of pictures as you go. Looking forward to seeing your progress!

Jon
Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: Smadge on July 08, 2020, 06:15:15 PM
Welcome aboard Chris!

Paul
Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: spillmk1 on July 09, 2020, 05:29:55 AM
Hello Chris.
Welcome to the craziness.
Nice looking project.
A lot of good parts there.
Just needs a bit of TLC.  ;)

A wealth of info here and info
is a GREAT tool!!!

Keith
Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: Crawford on July 09, 2020, 05:41:40 AM
Chris

Welcome to the club and mate, it gets expensive!!!

Crawford
UK
Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: brit plumber on July 09, 2020, 07:25:18 AM
Hi all and thanks for the welcomes. I don’t have a project yet, I’m still researching but Rudis projects is exactly the type I’d be looking for, I just have to free up funds tied up else where!

Can anyone recommend a good book or two and tell me if parts are difficult to find for an M16, repro is fine if there good. After all, 70+ years have past and much has been used up.

Can anyone also confirm dimensions as 7’ 1” wide by 7’ 8” high by 21’ 4” long and does that include the M45 because it looks higher in photos!
Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: Crawford on July 09, 2020, 10:16:58 AM

Chris

Copies of the original manuals can be bought or found as free downloads on various web sites. Part of the fun is finding the parts, but generally there are a lot available here, Europe or the States.

There is an incredible amount of expertise on this site you can tap into, everybody is more than willing to help out. Most of us have been there at some point.

Put your hand in your pocket!!

https://www.paperprint.be

Cheers
Crawford
Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: spillmk1 on July 09, 2020, 11:18:51 AM
Agree with above.
Get all the reference/military manuals you can get your hands on.
Go to Amazon and search Half Track in books section.
Also the "manual" section of this forum will have some links to online manuals
on places to order hard copies.

Keith
Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: WayOffTrack on July 09, 2020, 01:01:41 PM
7'8" is the top of the pulpit armor on an M3, the Maxson would definitely be higher.
Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: coreyelliott on July 09, 2020, 05:52:37 PM
If you haven't found it yet, here is a thread on this site with some of the free manuals.  It's a great starting point.

http://halftrackinfo.com/index.php?topic=993.0

Corey
Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: emptyhead on July 12, 2020, 05:08:21 AM
Welcome to the club. Looks like a nice project. Keep us informed
Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: yd328 on July 12, 2020, 08:49:49 AM
Welcome to the forum.
There is a lot of help and knowledge here so ask away. The cab forward portion is basically the same as the other White, Diamond T or Autocar halftracks and so is the drivetrain. The internationals are different. The back portion of the M16 is probably where some of the harder parts to find will be. Most of that can be fabricated or reproduced. Even some of the harder parts to find are out there. For example, exhaust manifolds and lifters for the engine are getting harder to find. Good luck with your search.

Gary

Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: brit plumber on July 13, 2020, 05:08:16 AM
Thanks for the additional welcomes. I’m in discussions with Rudi on this halftrack  so I’ll keep you updated.
Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: brit plumber on July 18, 2020, 02:23:59 PM
Well I’ve got the funds together to purchase a track but I’ve not heard from Rudi in a while. It’s still listed for sale but I fear I may have missed it. Either that or he could be away working.
Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: Selliott on July 21, 2020, 03:57:13 PM
Welcome Pal,

Good luck and get ready for some skinned knuckles!!!!

Shon Elliott
"Lucky 13"
Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: RB-058 on July 22, 2020, 01:52:09 AM
Welcome Pal,

Good luck and get ready for some skinned knuckles!!!!

Shon Elliott
"Lucky 13"

What Shon says! Skinned knuckles! Enjoy the ride!

Rob
Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: spec4don on July 22, 2020, 08:53:00 PM
And so it begins! Welcome aboard!

Don G.
Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: brit plumber on July 26, 2020, 01:56:05 AM
Thanks for the further welcomes, this group appears to be a smaller but tighter community than others I’ve been on.

I have another question. The track is being delivered by a truck without Hyab crane so I’ll have to organise something to lift it off. The chap who owns the yard I’ll store it at thinks he maybe able to lift it off with 2 Telehandlers, 1 either side and then the truck drives away from under it and they lower to the floor. I estimated the weight a 6 tonne (6000kg or 13,000lbs) would anyone have a guess like they did for the previous weight thread.

There’s no rear armour, only one track, the engine and gear box’s are in, their are no doors and the engine armour can be lifted off as it’s just loose. Without knowing the weight of the missing rear armour or how much the engine would add to the previous posts quote of 6000lbs I’m just guessing at 13,000lbs.
Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: Outsider on July 26, 2020, 07:04:33 AM
You are probably close on the weight. Depending on the capacity of the telehandlers they should be able to handle it if the keep their booms tucked in and pick on the heals of their forks in stead of the tips. Make sure you have a spotter that both operators can see, and make sure the operators are smooth and not jumpy as that would make the unload interesting to say the least.

Steve
Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: brit plumber on July 26, 2020, 10:06:46 AM
Thanks, I see in the other thread that Cleprechaun drove his M15 (in a similar assembly state to mine) to the DMV weigh bridge and it was 11200lb (5080Kg). I’ve read that the track is 500lb each and I don’t have any doors so my estimate may be a little on the safe side. It may be nearer to 5 Ton which makes it safer for 2 telehandlers.
Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: RB-058 on July 26, 2020, 12:29:26 PM
My M4A1 was just a tad under 4 tons. It didn't have the engine and transmission. Also the hood was missing. It did have the rear bed however (no side plating). So I'm assuming 5 tons will be accurate for yours. Good luck with it!
Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: R.E.Co. on July 26, 2020, 12:50:14 PM
My completed M2 weighed in at 13,800 lbs. Shouldn't be a problem

Jon
Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: brit plumber on July 27, 2020, 11:07:37 AM
Thank again, it looks like 5 tonnes is about right then, which is good as 2 telehandlers can manage that. My next issue is that the seller thinks it will be shipped on a curtain sider, which (I’m no expert) leads me to think only a large forklift could unload it, and I very much doubt I could find a set of 5 tonne forks in my area.
Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: RB-058 on July 27, 2020, 12:17:07 PM
Make sure it will be a curtainsider that can open it's top. Than you will be able to lift it out (if your telehandlers can manage). Once the roof is opened it will have free space in width of 245cm. That will be sufficient for your HT. https://www.uk.dsv.com/road-freight/Trailer-types-and-dimensions/Curtain-trailers

Other idea can be to put the forks of the telehandlers upside down so you can get them above the track, strap it, lift it and get it out of the trailer.

I guess you will be glad when it's on your driveway! But hey, it's a halftrack.. Barely anything comes easy!

Good luck!
Rob
Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: brit plumber on August 14, 2020, 09:16:54 AM
Thanks to everyone for the help, to wrap this up, the guy I bought it from has a heavy engineering business so it was weighed as they loaded it on to the trailer. It weighed 5200Kg and as one track and quite a bit of the hood armour was on a pallet, we were confident that it weighed about 4500kg with the pallets removed from the track bed.
Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: RB-058 on August 14, 2020, 02:27:56 PM
Great info! Must  be good to finally have it on your driveway.

Rob
Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: brit plumber on August 15, 2020, 02:05:36 AM
It is but it’s now I see how far it needs to go to completion. The one thing that concerns me is the bogie wheels. They are shot and need to be replaced but there doesn’t appear to be many NOS left and I’ve read that some have shed the the tyre/rubber in only a few miles. Retreads with PVU look an option but I’m not sure if anyone in the UK can do this.
Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: mkoloc on August 21, 2020, 12:25:14 PM
Welcome to the madness ... nice French track  ;) the Michelin tire is the give away.
Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: brit plumber on August 22, 2020, 01:33:34 AM
Thanks, it is ex-French, the previous owner confirmed it was given to the French Army post war and they then gave it to the Armed French Police who sold it off to a farmer. The farmer used it until the exhaust manifold split and then it was laid up for what looks like 20 to 30 years. I’ve had to cut out a large Hawthorn bush from the engine bay and a birds nest from the horns. I’m going to enjoy this long project.
Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: mkoloc on September 11, 2020, 01:40:19 PM
BP, my M16A2 is just shy of 9 feet in height, but then I have an extra 12 inch ring that was added during its conversion in 1952.  So figure about 8 Foot in height with the turret.  Your lucky in the aspect that many parts are still available in Europe and the number of restored halftracks there is significant.  Help should be readily available on this site and the G503 or Steel Soldiers sites too.  Its actually quite the fraternity!

Mark
Title: Re: Introductions
Post by: brit plumber on September 12, 2020, 01:44:26 PM
Thanks Mark, typically my garage door is 7’6” high. I’m already looking at way to modify that!!