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Ma duce

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PTO
« on: December 04, 2018, 06:10:27 PM »
Getting ready to replace seal on transmission PTO output shaft. Do I have to take remove winch to get shaft off?
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Re: PTO
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2018, 06:54:08 PM »
To get the shaft loose you might be ok not moving the winch or at least unbolt it and slide it forward a little bit. once you loosen the PTO drive line you may only have room to tie it up out of the way. If you are going to remove the seal on the PTO in place you may want to drain all the transmision and transfer case fluids or you will have a big mess.

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Re: PTO
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2018, 07:09:30 PM »
the output shaft seal is a packing that you can tighten up. you won't need to remove anything

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Re: PTO
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2018, 10:23:35 PM »
the output shaft seal is a packing that you can tighten up. you won't need to remove anything

That's what I thought unless you replace it, correct?

Steve A.

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Re: PTO
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2018, 05:32:37 AM »
The packing in the pto shaft seal is a "rope seal". It is a special piece of rope that used to be used for this purpose. It was wound around the shaft several times then pushed into the seal area and tightened with the nut. When they start to leak all you need to do is tighten the nut up a little more so they seal again. It can be replaced if you need to, but I don't know how many seal places still carry the rope as that has been out of use for quite some time now.

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Re: PTO
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2018, 08:33:44 PM »
Got a new old stock rope seal, housing and nut. I’ll post pictures and let you know how it went.
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Re: PTO
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2018, 03:01:42 PM »
Got seal replaced on pto output shaft. Got seal from JR halftrack parts. Had to unbolt winch and move forward to get shaft off. Those bolts must have been put in in 1943 but I got them out and was able to reuse them. First time cleaning cosmoline from new old stock parts. Posting some pics for your pleasure. Question on frame part that looks like it was torched off,it’s on driver side near pto assembly. Hope it wasn’t there to support tranny!
Next project, pull tracks so I can get to breaks that are dragging bad. Adjusters are frozen. This will be my first time pulling tracks
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Re: PTO
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2018, 03:06:14 PM »
Cut frame part
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Re: PTO
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2018, 05:49:43 AM »
That is the drivers side mount for the cross member that runs under the transmission. It is riveted to the frame rail, but you can cut the rivets off and bolt up a new one. I have reproduction parts available for both the mount and the cross member.

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Re: PTO
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2018, 05:07:34 PM »
Thanks Steve, so what is the purpose of crossmember and why would someone cut it off. I’ll add that to things to do but now I’m busy with rear axel and idler. Got one side off today, the break adjusters were really frozen. Also is there a gasket on axel to keep oil out of bearings there was no sign of any when disassembling but had oil on bearings.
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Re: PTO
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2018, 07:34:31 PM »
Drive axle is full oil bearings. So they use the same lube as the diff. Oil seal on inside of hub and gasket between the axle shaft and hub.

Cross member gives extra support and rigidity to the frame. You don't have to have it for what we civi's do with our HT's. The reason it is cut off is you can't take the transmission out of the HT from underneath with the PTO on and the mount in place. So it is just easier for folks to cut the mount than remove the pto.

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