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classified ads => halftracks and parts for sale => Topic started by: 2militarypickers on September 24, 2014, 06:55:18 PM
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We don't know much about this. But does run and drive. We have a clean Missouri title in hand. Ask all the ? You want. We will post more pics as we get time thanks. Asking $ 28'000
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Ok,
I have a question. That seems to be a G102 (white, dt, acc) halftrack with G147 (IHC) fenders. How did you determine the M9A1 model number? Is there a data plate or at least a frame serial # on this vehicle? Just curious. Kind of looks like a Norweigian or Finnish post WW2 conversion.
Thanks for the photos.
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Here is a pic of the frame numbers.
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I'd say that the last picture pretty much clears the air of any doubt.
Another tell-tail sign that it's an authentic IHC product is the formed steel or "banjo" type front axle, vs the "split case" type axles found on all White Motors based halftracks.
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I see you have a Missouri title, is it located in Missouri? I really want to know is how you got a Missouri Title for it?
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I see you have a Missouri title, is it located in Missouri? I really want to know is how you got a Missouri Title for it?
I transferred the Oklahoma title to a Missouri title in my name.lol
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I would like for this to go to a military enthusiast/collector. I received an offer from a local logging company but they want to cut it up and use it for business. I really don't want that to happen. Someone needs to show interest so I don't have to see this cut up.
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While the frame # does indicate its a IHC fame / drivetrain. The doors, windshied armor, etc are definitely not IHC. SO it is a mystery???
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Is the track located in Missouri? If so where, I'm in Arkansas.
Ron
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Pix of dash, firewall and engine?
How thick is the side fender armor directly under the hood?
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Not having seen a lot of IHC tracks was wondering about the headlights, I have not seen one with fender mount type. Still wondering if you are close to me.
Ron M.
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i think it may be in ROLLA MISSOURI
someone needs to save this from the loggers
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I've seen this several times where White armor was used on International halftrack in varying degree. Some with just the hood forward with White fenders and an international rear and some like this with an entire front White section. In on of my searches a while back I found a Canadian halftrack forum that is dominated my International halftracks with this such conversion. I'm surprised to see the International fenders bolted to the White armor though. The fender mounted headlights are not original but made to look like the early halftrack fender light set up with the headlight guards. The International headlights are present and mounted to the side of the radiator with blackout lights in place. I wonder if it has a dash data plate, White or International?
Steve A.
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We are located in Farmington ,mo. Here is my number if you want to call. 573 201 9315. Thanks
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;D
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Nice IH dash. Looks like cowl / firewall is where the two connect.
Door hinges back is G102 cab armor. See if the area forward of hinges is 5/16 thick, doors should be 1/4.
My guess is the windshield armor may not fit precise as G102 will work on G147 but not vice-versa due to thickness.
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Sounds like you guys on here no more then we do . We normal do the Hmmwv , this thing is so cool. But is in are why need gone. Logger or scrap yard would be a shame.
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It was a bad joke about the scrapyard. But that's the why we feel if it goes to the loggers. Let's do this make offers you can't upset us. We just say yes or no.
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I understand why these are so popular with logging company's, But wouldn't it be useless to them since there is no longer a supply of tracks for them?
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Not sure what kind of loggers you would sell it to but out in the Northwest any halftracks that WERE used for logging are long since sitting in the bone pile. Even the gypo's have more modern equipment then that. Too slow, too hard to maneuver, lack of easily available parts. $14,000 to 17,000 you can find a 90's 450B case with a winch. Much better logging machine or a skidder.
That being said, as a interesting and rare version of the halftrack, you have something there. But it all comes down to parts availability and tracks!
Don G.
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My. Buddy and myself talked if we can get are money back. We will be happy. We got 15000 in it.
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i have only come across one halftrack out of maybe 50 that was an international from the farms around here.
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He says they have 15K in it giving the impression that is the price, the ebay bid price is at 12100.00 and it says reserve has been met. I think they could have saved the selling fee if they would have stated that price here. Not sure if I am seeing it correctly but the second picture you can see a little bit of the passenger door and it almost looks like it has the angle cut on the lower rear side like an IHC should have.
Ron M.
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Steve-O
Back in mid 1980s, I saw a complete M9 International at a military vehicle surplus dealers shop. He had just brought it in from Europe. He had it stored inside of his warehouse, very nice International, and it was the first and only one I have ever seen. Later, I went back and it was gone. The owner said he sold it to an estate that was going to use it for security at the estate. So, some where on an estate is a very complete International halftrack, I am hoping that it was never used and just sitting in a warehouse waiting for one of us to find her.
One of the few, Frank USMC RET
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Ran across this today and thought some one might be interested to see a complete International.
http://car-from-uk.com/sale.php?id=98523&country=uk
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Complete, yes..... but at a glance I see White upper door armor and headlamps/guards also the rear armor and door are repop.
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It says it's an M5, but it looks to be an M9 no ammo doors.
Don G.
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It says it's an M5, but it looks to be an M9 no ammo doors.
Don G.
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Wasn't the M5 the equivalent to the M2 and the M9 was the equivalent to the M-3? So if it's an M-5 shouldn't it have the ammo doors on the side and no rear door? Not that familiar with Internationals.
Don G.
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From what I have seen and looked at all the M9's had rear doors, they also had pulpit gun because (I believe) they were all A1 configuration. The M5 did have the back door in both the base M5 and the M5A1, but don't remember seeing ammo boxes because the fuel tanks were in there place.
Ron M.
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A quick 'Binder' primer.
The M5 is the IH version of the M3 [personnel carrier] and the M9 is the equivalent to the M2 [prime mover]
No ammo doors or skate rail on the IH, longer body than the M2 also. Equal in purpose only, not design
There were both M5 and M5A1 models built but only M9A1......no M9
The difference between the two models is internal lay out, from the outside you cannot tell the difference between them
If it's a wartime pic and there is no pulpit you can be fairly certain it's an M5..... unless there was field mod and it was removed
Thicker armor and not face hardened, less effective but didn't shatter when struck. 7.92 AP round would penetrate @ 200 yards instead of 300
Red Diamond 450 has more power but track is heavier so fairly equal in performance to White design
They were classified 'Limited Standard' and used in training here in the states and shipped overseas to Allied forces
Only produced for one year... 1943
Contrary to books there is proof of combat use in the ETO by US forces, mainly the 12th Armored Division
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Very good reply captain thanks. The IH causes a lot of confusion but is a great trac. I know IH used their front axle and was this the reason that 900x20 tires were used? Do you have any knowledge of IH using some white/acc/dt armor (i.e. doors) as pictured for sale here recently??
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I know IH used their front axle and was this the reason that 900x20 tires were used?
I think it would be due to the different gear ratios, 7.16:1 for IH compared to 6.80:1 for White type
Do you have any knowledge of IH using some white/acc/dt armor (i.e. doors) as pictured for sale here recently??
All of the body was IH manufacture. Even though hoods are identical to M3, the Binders are thicker. Never checked the rad louvers but would guess the same. Windshield armor is 5/8" compared to 1/2".
There are some shared mechanical parts ... bogey and track drive system, front roller and winch/bumper (different PTO shaft) windshields, wipers, fuel and water mounts...some other trinkets.
The transmissions are similar models but have different part numbers so I would do some homework before a swap. Might be different input shafts.
Never could figure why the lack of interest in them, way more rare than many of the others. I like the flat fenders.
I see this one listed by OP on ebay sold for 19.4K....wow.
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I think all the flat armor, even the stuff up front, is thicker than White, Autocar and Diamond-T. I know that the hood armor dimensionally is different as I was helping someone with an international front and wanted to use White pieces for the stuff he was missing and were different sizes. If I remember right the international was a little wider up front than the White. The door armor was different as seen by the one piece pistol port guide. I've seen a Canadian halftrack site where they put a complete White nose on an International. The international M5, M5A1 and M9A1's never had a side ammo locker. An M9 was never made as production changes started right off with the A1 upgrades meaning M49 pulpit.
Steve A.
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I think all the flat armor, even the stuff up front, is thicker than White, Autocar and Diamond-T. I know that the hood armor dimensionally is different as I was helping someone with an international front and wanted to use White pieces for the stuff he was missing and were different sizes. If I remember right the international was a little wider up front than the White. The door armor was different as seen by the one piece pistol port guide. I've seen a Canadian halftrack site where they put a complete White nose on an International. The international M5, M5A1 and M9A1's never had a side ammo locker. An M9 was never made as production changes started right off with the A1 upgrades meaning M49 pulpit.
Steve A.
As I had already stated, it's all 5/16 even the louvers and rad armor...I checked 'em.
Not sure what you were working on but aside from being different gauge the hoods are the same size and shape.
Here's a pic of some White type hood armor sitting on an M5 cadaver I have. Fits nice.
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh17/Captain-crank/PA240009_zps754f5f37.jpg) (http://s252.photobucket.com/user/Captain-crank/media/PA240009_zps754f5f37.jpg.html)