Author Topic: warning about the littlfield museums m16 halftrack  (Read 16815 times)

spillmk1

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Re: warning about the littlfield museums m16 halftrack
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2019, 09:26:40 AM »
My White has an X brace and the side supports....so I guess it's a "mutt". ;D
Also.....notice I have the mounting pads for the front braces under the winch....but they were never drilled through.
Is that also weird??

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Keith
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WayOffTrack

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Re: warning about the littlfield museums m16 halftrack
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2019, 10:11:17 AM »
Very interesting. Seems like there are lots of little differences here maybe as a result of being thru rebuilds, hard to say. I do have a half-track that left the factory with a roller and when it was rebuilt into an m3a1 by E.W. Wylie it was changed to a winch model. It's a Diamond T and no X brace.

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col.halftrack

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Re: warning about the littlfield museums m16 halftrack
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2019, 04:45:22 PM »
Keith,
 I am curious can you see the makers stampings on the inside surface of the radiator surround armor? That may be Autocar armor.
 Kevin
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Re: warning about the littlfield museums m16 halftrack
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2019, 07:55:23 PM »
i have pedestal headlamps, and the angle irons on my side triangles....ok, so i guess i am not supposed to have a cross-brace (which it didn't have when i got the track)....
phew...minor crisis averted.  :-)

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Re: warning about the littlfield museums m16 halftrack
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2019, 04:27:28 AM »
i have pedestal headlamps, and the angle irons on my side triangles....ok, so i guess i am not supposed to have a cross-brace (which it didn't have when i got the track)....
phew...minor crisis averted.  :-)

thanks!!

If it had an X-brace the frame crossmember in front of the radiator will have a hole on each side for the bottom part of the brace.

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Re: warning about the littlfield museums m16 halftrack
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2019, 04:29:07 AM »
My White has an X brace and the side supports....so I guess it's a "mutt". ;D
Also.....notice I have the mounting pads for the front braces under the winch....but they were never drilled through.
Is that also weird??

Thanks,
Keith

It might have had the winch added since the winch frame extensions are welded to the inner frame and they didn't leave the factory like that.

spillmk1

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Re: warning about the littlfield museums m16 halftrack
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2019, 10:59:19 AM »
It might have had the winch added since the winch frame extensions are welded to the inner frame and they didn't leave the factory like that.

Good point.
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Keith
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WayOffTrack

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Re: warning about the littlfield museums m16 halftrack
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2019, 04:17:34 PM »
I looked thru all the pictures in the David Doyle books and it looks like Internationals all had the x-brace, I think I saw one White that had one and it was a test bed for the quad mount program. Both my Autocars were rebuilt into M16A1's during the 50's so I bet they were added then.

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Re: warning about the littlfield museums m16 halftrack
« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2019, 05:31:41 AM »
Keith,
 I am curious can you see the makers stampings on the inside surface of the radiator surround armor? That may be Autocar armor.
 Kevin

Kevin,
I got this shot off one of the louvers.
Tell you anything?

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Keth
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col.halftrack

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Re: warning about the littlfield museums m16 halftrack
« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2019, 11:43:07 AM »
 That piece certainly belongs on a White manuf. Trac.
1941 White M2
1942 White M4A1 was M4
1942 Autocar M2A1
1942 Autocar M3-75
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1943 Diamond T M3A1

WayOffTrack

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Re: warning about the littlfield museums m16 halftrack
« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2019, 12:44:36 PM »
On my Wylie roller to winch model conversion the winch frame extensions are bolted on, no rivets. I see yours is also a Wylie rebuild so maybe the same thing? The cube symbol above the stamped numbers means the piece was made by Diebold which was the supplier of armor to White Motors for half-tracks and scout cars.

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Re: warning about the littlfield museums m16 halftrack
« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2020, 01:22:23 PM »
Interesting comment about the cube symbol! Did not know that, was wondering what it meant this afternoon!

Rob
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