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cpetronis

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toying with the idea of selling my M3A1
« on: November 14, 2013, 07:45:21 AM »
    So, everybody has their moments of doubt. In a nutshell though, I'm attempting to sell my house and move 861 miles away to S.C. I like my half track, I really do and don't ever regret owning it. On the other side though, my family requires a certain amount of attention and I'm just not able to enjoy the White as much as I would like to. So coupling the potential move with life time constraints equals downsize thoughts in my head.
     I'm pretty sure it's human nature to dream that whatever vehicle that we've put blood, sweat and tears into should sell for 1 million dollars. My problem is that every now and then I see HT's get put up on David Uhrig's site for what I consider to be astronomical numbers and then get an over inflated idea of what mine's worth. Stating the obvious, my toy is only worth what somebody else is willing to pay for it. So consider this as an exploratory email to ask for opinions on where to start in terms of pricing. Some pictures, although a few years old, are here on our unit website:

http://www.10dragoons.wwiipolishlhg.org/about6.html

     The first picture on there is what the vehicle looked like when I first got it. As you scroll down the webpage you'll see some more detailed shots. These were taken at a local event just after I had painted it though. It's probably been five years since that so now the paint is faded and stained on the lateral surfaces. There's a couple of rust bubbles popping up here and there but nothing cancerous by any stretch.
    In generic summary, mechanically and cosmetically it's not bad. It runs fine, shifts fine, stops okay and the tracks are 1989 dated Israelis. The vast majority of the work on it is done. I purchased this from a group of guys who used it for reenacting and parades. It wasn't meant to be a museum restoration but a functioning piece of equipment.
    I'm a generally negative person so I'll start with the bad things.
1. The rear brakes aren't hooked up, I stop with the front ones.
2. Only the left side fuel tank is hooked up, I can't afford to burn through two 30 gal. tanks of fuel anyway.
3. I've got an annoying carb issue in that when I shut the engine down hot, it tends to leak fuel into the
    manifold therefore flooding itself out. ( I don't want to go into troubleshooting float settings and other
      possibilities right now.I'm just noting this as a mechanical drawback)
4. All of my lights work but the wiring's been done with modern plastic as needed so there's no original
    wiring harness on there.
5. There are a few oil weeps here and there but nothing major.
6. There's some definite wear on the drive sprockets.
7. I wouldn't be selling the .30 cal or WS19 radio with it.
8. I have no idea if the rear armor is original. I have seen some numbers stamped on certain parts here or   
   there but it's probably better to say that it's all repro to keep expectations even.
    I'm sure there's about another thousand little details I could pick apart but I could also do the same thing with my 2012 Grand Caravan.
    The good points, well with the exception of the fuel gauge, most of the dash stuff works. Tach, instrument cluster, all that works. Dash map light doesn't. Somehow I don't think the light would be a show stopper though. I just had the starter rebuilt two months ago and I put a new voltage regulator in this year as well. The radiator is NOS, less than five years old but come out of a IH, not a White so I had to repipe it. Again, functionally no big deal as this baby has never overheated but if you're looking to prop open the hood and show everything off as being 100% original, then you'd be saddened by the radiator. As I mentioned the tracks are modern and seem to be fine. There's no rubber coming off the road wheels, they look good as far as I know.
     This is just the most basic break down of what we're looking at. I'm trying to get a general idea if it's worth me attempting to sell it. I know everybody's got an opinion on pricing. I was thinking maybe 35k. Needless to say if anybody is seriously interested, then many more pictures and details will be forthcoming. If the general consensus however is that it's only worth 20k, then I think I'll keep it. This is just exploratory thinking out loud for those of you willing to give me an idea.
      On a side note, the 1979 Peterbilt rig I use to haul it as seen in the pictures would probably be on the market as well. I'd be willing to talk about a properly price adjusted package deal if somebody were interested in the whole she-bang.
     
  Thanks for your thoughts.

         Chris (almost forgot, HT is in Upstate NY near Albany)

Tapper02

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Re: toying with the idea of selling my M3A1
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2013, 09:54:24 PM »
Chris,
  Don't beat yourself (or the track) up too much!  You've got a nice vehicle there and while I can certainly empathize with you when it comes to devoting time to the family and still trying to have time for the toys, I hope it works out that you can keep it.

-Tom

1942 Diamond T M3 Halftrack
  (Being restored to an M3A1 configuration)
  Frame Number M31789
  Ordnance Number 3692
  Hood Number USA W403570-S
1944 Schelm Bros. M10 Ammunition Trailer
  Serial Number 16959
MVPA # 30507

spec4don

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Re: toying with the idea of selling my M3A1
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2013, 02:19:36 AM »
Chris before you pull the trigger think back in your life to how many things you said "I wish I'd never sold that"  >:( Remember situations change and in a few years kid's start thier own lives then your back to getting reacquainted with your better half. Besides after your gone the wife can sell it and (to quote Mike Keller), go on the Chris Patronis memorial cruise  ;D

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1941 M2A1 not restored
1942 M3 Diamond T Mostly restored
1943 M3A1 Under restoration
1967 M51A2 Tractor
1945 WC 63 needs restoration
1967 M36 Long wheel base duece
1951 M135 GMC Fire truck conversion

WayOffTrack

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Re: toying with the idea of selling my M3A1
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2013, 11:04:32 AM »
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My problem is that every now and then I see HT's get put up on David Uhrig's site for what I consider to be astronomical numbers and then get an over inflated idea of what mine's worth.

I know what you mean. Halftrack prices are all over the place. On that site there is an M2 'restored' with m3 repro armor that is not even correct for an M3. They are asking 39k! Gee I wonder why it hasn't sold yet.

What is your serial number on the frame? Is it a real M3 or an M15 made into an M3? I agree 20K would be way too cheap. The Mike Yeck M15 in nice shape sold for at auction about 20k which was a steal but that is why people go to auctions.

cpetronis

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Re: toying with the idea of selling my M3A1
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2013, 02:32:02 PM »
Good question on the serial #. I never really thought about it. The vehicle is on my registration as a 1943. Where about is it supposed to be located exactly? Isn't it on the frame near the front wheels somewhere?
There is a rebuild tag on the passenger firewall. I'd have to look at it again but 1952 sticks out in my mind.

Regards,

Chris

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Re: toying with the idea of selling my M3A1
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2013, 07:28:36 AM »
Btw, you have a beautiful halftrack.  :)

Yep the serial number will be on the front frame rail on the drivers side above the shock absorber (approx).

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Re: toying with the idea of selling my M3A1
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2013, 01:26:15 PM »
Hiya,

   I'm sorry it's taken so long to get back the apparent serial # of my vehicle. This time of year I go to work in the dark and I come home in the dark. So if it isn't a weekend I'm doing nothing that is outside of my house. All that being said, I found the number. Some of the stamps didn't come out clearly but it looks lie M15A1-1014.  The registration says it was built in '43 but know knows? That could've been something the previous owner fudged just to give it a year. Dose that serial # seem to sound right? It almost looked as if the "1" in1014 was over stamped because there was another "1" smooshed into it as if it could've been a 11014. I don't know if that would make more sense or not.

Regards,

Chris

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Re: toying with the idea of selling my M3A1
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2013, 10:15:35 PM »
Had the privilege of checking out this track this morning, including a nice ride along, truly awesome!
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Re: toying with the idea of selling my M3A1
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2013, 01:12:14 AM »
Had the privilege of checking out this track this morning, including a nice ride along, truly awesome!

So did Chris break out the sub-freezing weather for you too?!  Had a great visit with him a couple holiday's back and it was COLD…especially the drive.  The track still fired up like a champ though…I was impressed!!

-Tom
1942 Diamond T M3 Halftrack
  (Being restored to an M3A1 configuration)
  Frame Number M31789
  Ordnance Number 3692
  Hood Number USA W403570-S
1944 Schelm Bros. M10 Ammunition Trailer
  Serial Number 16959
MVPA # 30507

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Re: toying with the idea of selling my M3A1
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2013, 09:37:15 PM »
It was cold and we had a dusting of snow Saturday morning. It cranked right up and was a blast.  An all around great experience and I'm even more desperate to get one of my own now.

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Re: toying with the idea of selling my M3A1
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2013, 07:51:04 AM »
Hey Guys,

    Tom, so remember when you came over I had to blow heat on the oil pan with the Salamander for a few mins before the starter would actually turn it over? Well over this last summer I finally had a professional rebuilder go through it. What a difference. I couldn't believe it. I fired that thing up this past Saturday at 12 degrees outside after it had been sitting in single digits overnight. Granted, it turned over a little slower than normal but it did start. That's a far cry from two years ago. These vehicles never cease to amaze me.
Have a nice Christmas all,

Chris